1. Thus making you free farm. Imagine +30 dmg on sf, you flame guard on and sf boxes you out. I do not know what it is in legend bracket where you always farm and have zero impact early game, nullifying ember's potential. But ember is not a farm hero (at least creep wise) earky game, maybe back a few years but this recent patch, that's a no.
2. Ember spirit is actually a good laner in mid. Ember is usually picked when the enemy has little lockdowns because mobility is the only thing that keeps ember alive. Try to skill searing chains and flame guard first before sleight of fist because it doesn't do anything in early game.

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I mean I remember beating quite a few embers as ta mid, but recently i've been getting dumpstered by ember or am i missing something

ta wants to rice mid and ember has high kill potential at 6 or something

he has terrible damage and armor though, and you shouldnt be getting solo killed pre6 because yo ucan tp to ur shrine after chains if ur gonna die

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not a mid player XD

i believe ta > ember in pure 1v1, i've been trying this with allison few days ago and if you play aggressively as TA from level 1 and try to hit psi blades as much as possible you can almost send him to base on lvl 1 if he's bad enough (check my last ember game where i got absolutely dumpstered if you want to see some really humiliating example), and if that doesnt cut it then just put like two points to meld and run at him

good creep block on first wave is really important though i think.

ember shoudnt be able to lane ta ever, unless ta doesnt know how to play his hero, then its a different story

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ta vs ember matchup is fun because neither hero can depend on some defensive mechanisms - flameguard doesn't do anything against ta's high physical damage, but likewise refraction doesn't do anything against ember since he can melt it easily

in a 1v1 where both players are equally skilled, TA doesn't exactly have much outplay potential, while ember does

I keep dying as ta this patch, earlier i used to have like a max of 4 deaths now i just die in mid by rotations or get caught out of position in a taemfight.

Ember's counter TA in all ways
Meld he burns
Refraction he burns
lvl 6 slow? Just remnant away
Just get a PMS the laning stage shouldn't be tough

We need a nerf now

I would give the ember a slight edge here because he out lanes ta pretty bad due to 3rd skill. On the other side, you can dodge searing chains with meld pretty easily and turns around killing ember. Both of these hero means if 1 support rotates the enemy mid hero will die. Its a game of burst damage and ember will still win in this situation

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ember rapes midd. ta dont have enough dmg to kill ember early with stoun shield and aquila gg aquila is 300 EHP so gg

The only way to win as ta vs good ember is building quick stats and following 2 strategies.

1. Going refraction and using it to push the wave off you so that do not get chained.

2. Going meld and using it dodge chains and then hit with meld to kill him. If you dodge chains and hit him with a lvl 3 meld you can kill him.

The better stratedgy is to constantly push the wave off you and cs jungle camps between waves to get an early deso. You will make more game inpact this way rather than just killing ember 1 time.

Tho against an ember mid you should be going something that beats him more heavily mid like sf or mk

pure 1v1 is 50-50
1 sup mis = ta cant farm if creeps not on her hill

Doesn't matter if ember can't farm he just builds veil and bursts your highest lvl hero and gets comeback gold, really dumb hero Lul

Isnt ember stronger like first 3 lvls and at lvl 6?

ta wins the 1v1 if the players competent but its never a 1v1 and runes and stuff can change the matchup entirely.

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i mean, realistically given 2 competent players

both can farm that lane without dying

Good ember player will kill ta once he got lv 6. Bait reflection to flame guard then chain if dodge just use 3 remnants to kill ta. Problem is this thing use up too much mana

ember beats ta until ta gets 5 (laning stage) u cant man up against level 3 refract.

a competent TA won't be baited to waste shield by ember.

So seems like most blue stars think ember beats Ta. Except cookie

A good Ember should beat an equally skilled TA I think. But a godly TA player can beat almost any hero, except Razor I guess.

ta completely dog shit vs ember
ember can solo kill ta at lvl 3-4

Both heroes have solid kill potential on each other. One tiny mistake by one side can make the lane entirely one sided.

u press q, then u hit ember, and then ember dies. thank me later :)

ta is oen of the weakest mid heroes against ember at any point of the game

so from this thread i can conclude that

- TA is good against ember

- ember is good against TA

- TA needs to go lift

from this thread i can conclude that

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- everyones retarded

its just easier for ember but c'mon TA can win the matchup if she goes ham

Lol. I dont see a case where same skill opponents going mid and TA wins Ember. Only with support rotations YES. Any kind of skill build on ta will be a failure vs ember. Ember just kills her lvl 3-4 that's all. [SAME SKILL MID PLAYER]

ta wins this matchup in a vaccuum by a fair bit from what ive seen, talked to good ta's bout it and it makes sense

pretty sure i play this hero just as good as waga if not better and u dont beat ember if he knows what to do

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